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I was thinking of trying Tbol and Dbol stack. My thinking is the Dbol will give a little more horsepower to tbol and maybe lessen water retention a bit. People say that they have huge strength increase on Dbol for 6 weeks and when they come off they lose a good bit. I am thinking if I run Dbol for 6 weeks with Tbol for 8, the remaining 4 weeks of Tbol will help retain the new mass.
Sound like a good plan or a waste? Well no one really answered my question. I'm Aware they are liver toxic. At my age im not worried about liver shut down, there will be signs if it is stressing my liver too much. I'm just wondering if they will compete for receptors and essentially cancel each other out as opposed to work in unison. I'm not even sure if canceling each other out is possible. The question is will the be a better way to keep gains and possibly more hopefully off a dbol run.
You'll be fine running orals that long, if you really worry you some of that liver shit people use can't remember what it's called I've been awake for too long.
I've frequently done week blasts with orals and am just fine, don't drink or do drugs. Plan is 4 weeks. Strength is awesome, size is coming but it's only been a little over a week so I'll keep you posted. Naw I added injectables currently using in the OP. Seems like Tbol is typically run for weeks up to mg a day. It's absolutely fucking not.
Don't be under the illusion that because it's regarded as a "mild" oral that it won't put your liver under duress. Unless your tbol is underdosed, don't run at mg. Nose bleeds, lethargy, constant shitting, no appetite and are usually good reasons to drop orals.
On paper they might be "more anabolic" but if they're fucking up your life, job, and relationships people get worried and suspicious. Also there's a certain limit o what you can gain, if you're set to gain 6kg from your injectable cycle over a few months why bother with orals. True, although most of those sides are pretty much unheard of on tbol, at least at that dosage.
If you did a few other compounds too, it might just have been the one to push you over the edge sides-wise. Or maybe you just had much more potent stuff than what we're getting up here. I agree with your sentiment, though. Your doses are high compared to the typical amounts that athletes were using when these drugs were still relatively new.
I don't have that study on hand anymore but legit dbol at 10 and 25mg yielded the same results over 6 weeks. They also demonstrated a halt in gains after those 6 weeks, meaning a break in dbol felt very much needed. Yeah,on most boards the normal dbol dose is 25mg a day.
Its apparently diminishing returns beyond that. I liked 50 though. I was going to run 25 and 25 for 4 weeks because I have some left over of each. I can't find anywhere where this was suggested and the responses weren't all people calling the person who was going to do it stupid. Between the liver harshness of dbol and the cholesterol fuckery or tbol I decided to just run 50mg drol for 4 weeks instead.
Your lipids will be completely fucked if you run tbol for that long. I'm still trying to recover mine. I ran it for 4 weeks at 60mg per day followed by 3 weeks on anavar at 50mg per day. That blood test was in early June. I don't think it's a great idea to stack orals. You will probably live. I would just use Dbol. Save tbol for next cycle or cut. Tbol does give you a lot of strength, just not a lot of size.
I'm not sure why you wanna run these orals when you're already doing a solid cycle. I dislike short term gains which are easy come easy go. OTOH I've been trying to find anecdotes to justify using orals. That's what I'm about to do with my TRT and dbol leftovers. There's always this liver health when using oral steroids vs alcohol consumption debate going on.
IMO it's quite an apple to orange thing but you'll survive no problem. However the question remains - why would you stack them on top of powerful enough injectables, do the benefits outweigh the risks etc. I just think the liver is a lot more resilient than people around here give it credit for. I drank 2 gallons of vodka a week for 2 or 3 years and my levels came back to normal within a year.
It might have been even sooner, I just didn't have a reason to get labs until after a year. I think at one point I was diagnosed with alcoholic hepatitis, but my memory isn't very clear from back then. You may get them to maybe think about such things as epigenetics which absolutely no one has understood yet.
Big deal huh - just stop drinking. Works quite well it seems ; Or maybe he'll tell you you're making shit up on the internet.
But if anyone's interested in my story I had a withdrawal seizure at the wheel 6 months after finishing college 22yo and I got clean at I bought a half gallon of Burnett's vodka every other day for a few years, and I've worked my ass off to stay sober the last 15 months.
These are my labs from a month ago. ALP slightly elevated, others within range. Doctor said the ALP is probably nothin, check it again in a few months.
I'm 25 if I was older I wouldn't do anything like this. But I mean people run stacks and oral dosages way higher than this. I was just wondering if the Tbol would weaken the Dbol or vice versa competing with receptors. Taking tbol and dbol togther isn't synergic in my opinion. It's not that they compete, it's just that 50mg dbol would be plenty and would overshadow any effects of tbol, including any asthetic benefits which would be masked by dbol water bloat.
They're very similar drugs, tbol is more user friendly and asthetic dbol is cheaper and more powerful. Use one or the other because there is no synergy between them. Tbol also makes it more difficult for your blood to clot FYI. Sometimes that's not well known, but high doses you'll bleed out your nose, due to blood pressure like an old guy on warfarin who got scratched by the cat.
I don't think liver is even the problem when stacking orals. Digestive problems, nose bleeds and blood pressure that fuck up your health, appetite, and diet far before you reach liver cyroisis.